Engineer Boots
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Topic: Engineer Boots
Posted By: johnb
Subject: Engineer Boots
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2014 at 7:05am
Post your pictures here  ------------- John B |
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Posted By: lamdog123
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2014 at 7:24am
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Posted By: Rivet Head
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2014 at 7:56am
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Are those the new Role Club John B? ------------- www.rivet-head.blogspot.com |
Posted By: sam a
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2014 at 8:01am
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those becks are so good... i really wish they made them in my size. |
Posted By: johnb
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2014 at 8:05am
Yep, more pics and discussion in Role Club thread. ------------- John B |
Rivet Head wrote:Posted By: hollows
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2014 at 8:06am
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Any thoughts on the pronounce lean back of the shaft on the Role Clubs? I imagine that'll disappear with use, but it seems like most engineer shafts tend to lean forward, even when new. (Awaits Maynard leaning shaft comments) ------------- I make things out of http://www.hollowsleather.com" rel="nofollow - leather . |
Posted By: nick
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2014 at 8:18am
| Interesting how Road Champs look so different from owner to owner. I suppose it depends on the batch they are from. |
Posted By: johnb
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2014 at 8:34am
I was going to say the exact same thing, mine are much darker and less tan. Some Road Champs look almost black or two tone. Great everyday boots none the less. ------------- John B |
Posted By: johnb
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2014 at 8:43am
Give them a day or two and the Role Club boots will lean, my crooked legs will take of that. The beauty of the Olive Steerhide is that its very soft and oil rich. Thus far i'm experiencing an easy break in verses stiff Westco. ------------- John B |
Posted By: Quoise
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2014 at 6:31pm
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The extremely loose grain leather looks great on the road champs, and I think the same every pair I see. I think that is the only boot where that quality is seen as desirable. My shitty, poor fitting red wing engineers have (unintentional, I gather) loose grain on the vamp of one of the boots, as well as the instep strap, and I cringe every time I look at them. I've seen a few pair of wolverine 1000 miles with this feature as well and I would never buy a pair (among other reasons). On the road champs though, it's a different story... |
Posted By: Ben
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2014 at 6:43pm
| Damn john, those road champs are fucked up. You've worn those babies hard! |
Posted By: smoothsailor
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2014 at 1:35pm
my lofgrens today  ------------- dislectic |
Posted By: johnb
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2014 at 2:00pm
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Smoothsailor, Loftgrens looking great. Here's mine as we speak  ------------- John B |
Posted By: Boyo
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2014 at 7:42am
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Starter kit.. RMC Chippewa & MF 
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Posted By: johnb
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2014 at 9:53am
Mister Freedom Road Champs (about 3 years of wear)    ------------- John B |
Posted By: handymike
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2014 at 10:32am
| Did the Road Champs color palette change? John, yours are much darker than Boyo's. |
Posted By: johnb
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2014 at 10:41am
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Seems some batches of the boots where darker than others. Personally I prefer the darker tones. ------------- John B |
Posted By: handymike
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2014 at 10:42am
| Yours have aged quite gracefully! |
Posted By: kproject
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2014 at 11:48am
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Posted By: kproject
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2014 at 11:50am
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Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2014 at 11:55am
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Nice KP! Those Buco,s the Cordovan? |
Posted By: kproject
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2014 at 11:58am
| Thanks OO, yup, they are. Didn't captured the toe tracks on the PT91 Redwing and the Buco clearly. |
Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2014 at 11:59am
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Damn! It doesn't get any better than that. |
Posted By: smoothsailor
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2014 at 12:24pm
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any updates on the clinch boots double o? ------------- dislectic |
Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2014 at 12:38pm
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Not much to write home about im afraid. I have been reserving them for best bib and tucker. When they become my daily wearers again after the weather brightens up and the mud turns back to grass i will post some photo,s. |
Posted By: attackwithstones
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2014 at 7:45am
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Thought about making a master list of modern DB worthy engineer boots... I'll keep updating as more are mentioned. Wesco Boots (US) White's Boots (US) Ace Boots (US) Viberg (Canada) (produces Flathead's boots) Attractions (JPN) Julian Boots (US) (produced RRL too) Far Eastern Enthusiast aka FEE (JPN) Mister Freedom (US) The Real McCoys (JPN) John Lofgren (JPN) (produces Eastman Leather's boots) Clinch (JPN) Motor (JPN)
Red Wings (US) Sugar Cane- Lone Wolf (JPN) Old Joe & Co. (JPN) Phigvel (JPN) Hollywood Trading Company (US) Nicks (US) Chippewa (US) Role Club (US) Santa Rosa (US) Frye (US) Wolverine (US) ------------- Sell me your Mister Freedom stuff. :) |
Posted By: handymike
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2014 at 7:52am
| Is Santa Rosa the HTC brand? I've seen some pictures on the Brian the Bootmaker thread, and I think they look pretty good. |
Posted By: attackwithstones
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2014 at 8:06am
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As I understand Zip from HTC resurrected the Santa Rosa Brand. So HTC would be the parent company I guess? ------------- Sell me your Mister Freedom stuff. :) |
Posted By: the shivman
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2014 at 3:48pm
| I think Nick's makes engineer boots also. In fact I saw them recently post a horsehide makeup to their IG page. |
Posted By: Ben
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2014 at 4:03pm
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I think that flat head has only done collaboration boots with viberg... there are some different details on the ones you can get readily, and considering they're made out of horsehide, they'd probably be a lot more expensive if they were made by viberg too! Also... by cinch do you mean clinch? If so, those are made by the resole shop BRASS.
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Posted By: xallanx
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2014 at 6:30pm
You're right. Nick's does make an engineer boot. Their website lists the http://nicksboots.com/shop/engineer-boot.html" rel="nofollow - Engineer Boot 55E and http://nicksboots.com/shop/renegade-boot.html" rel="nofollow - Renegade Boot 55E . Their http://instagram.com/nickscustomboots/" rel="nofollow - Instagram feed shows much more savory engineer boots than ones available on their webstore. The feed also shows leather sources such as Seidel and Horween.
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Posted By: aho
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2014 at 6:57pm
| Apparently per their Facebook feed, those latest Engineer boots are horse hide btw... |
Posted By: sam a
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2014 at 7:16pm
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Do Nick's engineers still have that odd instep strap? |
Posted By: the shivman
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2014 at 7:34pm
| Doesn't look like it from those pics. |
Posted By: xallanx
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2014 at 7:00am
https://flic.kr/p/qiaFpR" rel="nofollow"> Here is a recent photo of my Wesco engineer boots in brown: MP, #705 sole, double midsole, Okuyama brass roller buckles.
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Posted By: attackwithstones
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2014 at 8:18am
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Those Wesco's look great! As does the modified sea bag. I have a very similar modified sea bag I carry daily. Perhaps we need a bag thread? ------------- Sell me your Mister Freedom stuff. :) |
Posted By: hollows
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2014 at 8:35am
I started one not too long ago, it needs love! http://denimbro.com/bags-packs-luggage_topic1327.html" rel="nofollow - http://denimbro.com/bags-packs-luggage_topic1327.html ------------- I make things out of http://www.hollowsleather.com" rel="nofollow - leather . |
Posted By: johnb
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2014 at 8:43am
How easy is it to swap at the buckles? Can your cobbler do it? ------------- John B |
Posted By: VintageEngineerBoots
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2014 at 12:31pm
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Swapping buckles is not that difficult a project. I posted my process a while back on my http://vintageengineerboots.blogspot.com/2013/07/custom-roller-buckles.html" rel="nofollow - blog
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Posted By: johnb
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2014 at 1:03pm
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Thanks, now to find the perfect buckles. suggestions welcomed ------------- John B |
Posted By: VintageEngineerBoots
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2014 at 4:40pm
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Cheers! Can't go wrong with Okuyama buckles. He makes a variety of styles. I may even have another set laying around somewhere.
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Posted By: attackwithstones
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2014 at 7:39pm
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http://s1035.photobucket.com/user/attackwithstones/media/IMG_2331.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  My Wescos at work. ------------- Sell me your Mister Freedom stuff. :) |
Posted By: johnb
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2014 at 8:21am
 Loftgren 1st Issue ------------- John B |
Posted By: smoothsailor
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2014 at 3:56am
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looking good John ------------- dislectic |
Posted By: johnb
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2015 at 1:39pm
  Role Club Engineer Boots (Olive Steerhide) ------------- John B |
Posted By: johnb
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2015 at 8:05am
Viberg Boots. These were an experiment with Brett Viberg in days before Viberg offered Engineer Boots. I call them Cowboy Engineers because of the stylistic nod to western wear, however they also have some broguing on them which isn't very Cowboy at all. Two tone Cromexel leather, vibram sole. Shorter than standard Engineers but not quiet 'Shorties'. Perhaps I should just call them 'Frankenstein's boots'.     ------------- John B |
Posted By: superfuzz
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2015 at 8:13am
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Those Vibergs are really cool and the Role Clubs look AMAZING with some wear! |
Posted By: Duke Mantee
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2015 at 8:15am
| Those viberg boots are very very nice - I like the balance they have and I especially like the broguing - it's a detail that could have been overdone. |
Posted By: bretron
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2015 at 9:34pm
As per Hellraiser, "So much pain for so much pleasure" Attractions 269 |
Posted By: johnb
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2015 at 6:34am
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Thanks for posting pictures of the 269's. Please keep them coming as the boots wear in. ------------- John B |
Posted By: SLAB2
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2015 at 8:03am
| lovely boots; saw them in the clutch magazine; really like the profile of these boots |
Posted By: bretron
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2015 at 8:14am
| Thx Slab. I'd say they're every bit as well made as the Toys McCoy Becks I owned for a brief time, but for about $100 or so less. Absolute best bang for the buck IMO |
Posted By: handymike
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2015 at 10:47am
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[/QUOTE] These are perhaps my favorite boots yet!!!!! Wow! |
Posted By: handymike
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2015 at 10:48am
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Congratulations on getting the boots on Bret! They are great! |
Posted By: indigo_eagle
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2015 at 5:29am
Very nice. Need to be quoted on this page.
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Posted By: bretron
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2015 at 8:02am
| Haha! Left boot is still an utter bitch to get off, but I'm learning not to panic so much and will soon be sending them for a modest stretch. |
Posted By: rayw44
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2015 at 8:57am
| Glad to hear it worked out! You will love them as they wear in. |
Posted By: rustbucket
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2015 at 10:32am
Am i correct in assuming the left pair in the pic are the steerhide, and the pair on the right are the horse butt Attractions engineers?
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Posted By: rayw44
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2015 at 10:59am
| Yes you are correct. It looks like the pairs came from different wearers, as the steer version will also have the toe collapse over time depending on what the user does while wearing them (neither pair has a steel toe and the celastic or other reinforcing material is not super stiff). I would bet the owner of the pair on the right rides a motorcycle regularly. |
Posted By: rustbucket
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2015 at 11:06am
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I simply love the grain of the horse butt leather and the shape the toes on this pair have developed. The 'big folds' the steerhide pair have developed suprise me, i thought that was normally only seen on horsehide boots, but i might be wrong on that. |
Posted By: smoothsailor
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2015 at 12:03pm
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the attractions boots are very nice, what I like about them is that they are somewhat sleek and they look tuf. The foot part looks a bit like a dress shoe ------------- dislectic |
Posted By: Ben
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2015 at 12:15pm
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Surprisingly, I think I like the steer version better. It is really strange how shiny and immune to creasing they are- but i dig it. I swear I've also seen a horween horsebutt version in a picture, but I've never seen anyone owning a pair like that.
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Posted By: Happy Hooligan
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2015 at 1:00pm
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wescos going on 10 years. http://s379.photobucket.com/user/happyhooligans/media/DSC00983.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s379.photobucket.com/user/happyhooligans/media/DSC00982.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  ------------- http://www.MachineCollector.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.MachineCollector.com http://www.DAEdenim.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.DAEdenim.com |
Posted By: sam a
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2015 at 2:34pm
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the more pictures I see of those attractions engineers the more I want to just take the risk, get some 11s and hope for the best. |
Posted By: illumin8em
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2015 at 8:54pm
you'll be waiting till march-april :( but do it! :) |
Posted By: bretron
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2015 at 9:39pm
| Haha! Totally worth the wait... Hell, maybe you can convince em to offer another run w/brass buckles |
Posted By: sam a
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2015 at 10:16pm
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yeah, its not the wait that concerns me... Im definately fine with waiting. Its whether I'll be able to squeeze my feet into them or not. I emailed them a few weeks back to see if they might be able to do a pair in 11.5 since it seems I'd be on the cusp, but no dice, I might just go for the 11s and wear them with thin socks. |
Posted By: Ishmael
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2015 at 10:20pm
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What size boots or shoes do you normally wear? |
Posted By: smoothsailor
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2015 at 1:16am
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those wescos are nice ------------- dislectic |
Posted By: Sardine
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2015 at 5:33am
Happy - I've been admiring those for years on your blog. I think they are one of my favorite Wesco builds.
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Posted By: smoothsailor
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2015 at 6:28am
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My role clubs 3 weeks in. a review and more pictures in the role club thread  ------------- dislectic |
Posted By: bretron
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2015 at 6:51am
You're going to need to wear thin socks regardless trust me!! @Paul, thx for the review. I'm incredibly sorry to hear about your troubles with them. Hopefully, Brian or a simple trip to the local cobbler can sort it out for you. Sounds like a bad size?? I mean, if you need to take the leather footbed out of them (your feet sitting on cork now?  )?? Sounds like the fit significantly worse than what you experienced with your MPs?
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Posted By: johnb
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2015 at 7:25am
Horsehide looks great. ------------- John B |
Posted By: sam a
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2015 at 8:20am
I wear 11.5 in most boots, which i generally wear with full cushion boot socks. I do however have a pair of ace boot co engineers in 11, which are snug, but fine as long as I step the socks down to half cushion boot socks. rayw44 was nice enough to give me some sizing advice for the attractions boots, and from what I was able to gather, 11s might work but it would be a bit of a gamble. The more I see of them though, the more its a gamble I'm thinking I might take. We'll see. |
Posted By: VintageEngineerBoots
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2015 at 8:55am
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These are the photos that sold me on the amazing Attractions boots. These pics were posted back in 2013 and I wanted whatever boots they were. The toe box on my Horse Butt model are deflating beautifully and on the way to this look.
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Posted By: johnb
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2015 at 10:12am
 Role Clubs Steerhide ------------- John B |
Posted By: rustbucket
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2015 at 11:56am
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Wonderful boots Paul, good review too, sorry to hear about your fit issues. Personally i find the heels too high for my taste, do they feel higher than your Lofgrens? Are they otherwise comparable in fit, apart from the sizing difference? |
Posted By: smoothsailor
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2015 at 12:18pm
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Michel, the heels are indeed higher, lower the heel 1 lift came to my mind. They are not comparable at all to my lofgrens. the lofgrens are way looser. Bret, wrong sizing? I don,t know, it shouldn,t be necessary to take out the footbed. I can put it back in, but without the little cushion that was glued to it. ------------- dislectic |
Posted By: VintageEngineerBoots
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2015 at 4:21pm
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Day 26 and the profile is settling into something sweet on my Attractions Engineers.  ------------- http://vintageengineerboots.com/" rel="nofollow - www.VintageEngineerBoots.com https://instagram.com/vintage_engineer_boots/" rel="nofollow - Instagram |
Posted By: Ben
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2015 at 4:39pm
| They're not uncomfortable? It looks like there's almost no toe room... |
Posted By: VintageEngineerBoots
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2015 at 5:28pm
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They're very comfortable. Im not experiencing a tight fit in the toe box and there's actually room for more flattening. ------------- http://vintageengineerboots.com/" rel="nofollow - www.VintageEngineerBoots.com https://instagram.com/vintage_engineer_boots/" rel="nofollow - Instagram |
Posted By: Ishmael
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2015 at 5:50pm
Maybe at some point I can try them on for you. I'm often an 11.5 in boots too. |
Posted By: sam a
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2015 at 7:21pm
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if you get a chance... That'd be rad. Thanks. |
Posted By: Nate
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2015 at 4:05am
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Hi ! I'm Nate. I've been coming here daily for some months now and I finally feel the need to add my two cents to a conversation ! Are you sure the ones on the left are the steerhide ones ? Those creases really really look like horse hide/cordovan while the ones on the right really really look like steerhide. |
Posted By: Nate
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2015 at 4:13am
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I messed up my first post :( I was reacting to this :
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Posted By: rustbucket
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2015 at 5:38am
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Hi Nate, first of all welcome here! The large folds/creases on the left pair had me wondering too, i've only seen that before on hh/shell cordovan boots. But looking at the smoothness of the leather on the left pair, and the grain on the right pair made me think the left would be the steer, and the right would be horse buttocks. I consider myself far from being an expert though, reason why i questioned it in the first place. |
Posted By: rayw44
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2015 at 6:06am
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I'm positive the pair on the right is the horse version and the pair on the left is steer. Check the grain pattern on the pair on the right, and you will see it looks a lot like the pics you see of the horsehide models which has a more defined grain pattern and a more matte finish, while the shiny look of the pair on the left matches how the steer wears in perfectly including the near absence of any grain at first. As for either one being cordovan, I don't believe Attractions has done any model in shell cordovan, so as far as we know they can only be steer or horsehide at this point.
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Posted By: Nate
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2015 at 7:25am
Thank you rustbucket, it's very cosy in here.
I clearly am no expert either ! |
Posted By: Nate
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2015 at 7:32am
My line of reasoning was based on the false assumption that boots in horseide would look somewhat similar to cordovan. Since the ones on the left look exactly like cordovan and the ones on the right look absolutely nothing like it, I jumped to the wrong conclusion. Unproved theory => wrong conclusions => stick to read-only policy :) |
Posted By: kproject
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2015 at 10:30am
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raw44 is correct. The one on the left is steer hide while the one on the right is horse hide. There is no cordovan version of Attractions engineer boots at the moment. Those who have the Attractions engineer boots, can you confirm that the insole is not leather? It felt like some kind of cardboard ...
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Posted By: superfuzz
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2015 at 5:49pm
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I'm pretty sure the insole on my Attractions is leather. It feels like it at least. |
Posted By: bretron
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2015 at 6:14pm
| Definitely leather |
Posted By: superfuzz
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2015 at 11:30am
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Hey does anyone on here have any experience with Craft-Rite engineer boots? I've been seeing them on Instagram and they look good, but not sure about the fit, etc. I know that VEB posted something about them on his blog a while back. And I think Rayw44 was thinking of getting a pair. |
Posted By: johnb
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2015 at 9:47am
 Mister Freedom Road Champs ------------- John B |
Posted By: Rivet Head
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2015 at 12:13pm
RRL (Rio's of Mercedes) ------------- www.rivet-head.blogspot.com |
Posted By: sam a
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2015 at 6:40pm
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I couldn't help myself and preordered those attractions boots. I hope they work out. And if they don't, I'll just blame illumin8em's "do it" comment for leading me to a poor decision :) |
Posted By: sam a
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2015 at 5:59pm
just got these in...  |
Posted By: johnb
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2015 at 6:25pm
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Very nice. What are they? ------------- John B |
Posted By: sam a
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2015 at 7:23pm
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ace boot co. |
Posted By: johnb
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2015 at 7:31pm
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Very nice ------------- John B |