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    Posted: 01 Jan 2021 at 12:38pm
hey all,
great info BlueTrain: not oversharing, good informing!

from what I see (inc. real McCoys recent release as well as other mod forums) is indeed what Denimetc says; it is the fishtail liner rather than the shorter m-1951 jacket... (annoying, as the fishtails are rare beasts now, whilst I have a shorter Korean-era version in my sights...) - managed to find in a UK army surplus site, but stock already all gone now...

m-1965 liners seem pretty available on US e-bay, and I can confirm from experience of the trouser liner, they are pretty damn effective insulators...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Denimetc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Jan 2021 at 3:17am
Thanks Blue Train - interesting stuff. I believe that is the m51 Fishtail parka liner that Bartlebyyphonics is wearing in the pics above.
Too much Denim - too little time...
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Interest photos of the field jacket liners. They bring back memories. 

The button-in liners really made the field jacket a good cold weather garment. I wore mine for years after I got out of the army. The one I had was the old-style fleece rather than the later quilted style. I don't know when the army made the switch. I also don't know when field jackets and liners went out of style but I'm pretty sure they were later issued in woodland camouflage material. Two different styles were being issued when I entered the army. The Korean war style, M1951, was being issued, presumably until they used up all they had. And they were also issuing the M1965 version at the same time. This was in 1965, the year I went into the army. Wikipedia says there was an M1950 model, too, which I didn't know. 

There was also an M1951 parka, too, referred to sometimes as a 'fishtail' parka. It was something else that was issued in your regular unit and it also had a liner. I don't remember using it while I was in the army. 

The Air Force had a slightly different field jacket in a "sage green." The pockets were different and it had a built-in hood, I think, and presumably there was a liner that went with it. 

More than you wanted to know!
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plus, from lightning military jacket book...

a different m-1951 liner

some experimental 1940s liners...

and a great alpaca vest...
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just to share a m-1951 jacket liner...
first some trim, stamp, label, repairs, inner elbow patch details...

 
then worn: one way, then another (with differing nigel cabourn [artic pants, then army pants...] and for second version with m-65 trouser liner underneath too) ...


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Don't get too worked up over the names of things. Sometimes things pick up a name years afterwards that was never used originally, like those cargo pants I mentioned. When they were originally issued in the 1950s, they were officially called field pants and I never heard them called anything else. Reenactors buy M41 field jackets (sometimes called a Parson jacket). They were officially termed a "field jacket." The M43 outfit had a "field coat" (followed by later variations) that was forever afterwards called a field jacket.
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Club Stubborn H1 vest and flying shorts 2.0. Both excellent for summer- the flying shorts especially are  a nice lightweight nylon and are getting a lot of wear as the weather warms up.

Where'd I put my lighter? Too many pockets is always a good thing...
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M-51 pants, vintage


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote likeacannon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Jun 2020 at 10:04am
Originally posted by BlueTrain BlueTrain wrote:

If those are what I think they are, I was issued a pair in the mid-1960s when I was stationed in Germany. They were originally part of the 1943 combat outfit and later superseded by the kind with cargo pockets. I was issued a pair of those, too. They were unit clothing and were the property of the company you were assigned to. But I never heard anything called "chinos" when I was in. We were issued four sets of khakis, which were referred to as khakis and nothing else.

Great background, thanks BlueTrain! Good catch on the chinos v. khakis, I didn't even catch that anachronism.


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Originally posted by Mr. Q Mr. Q wrote:

Originally posted by likeacannon likeacannon wrote:

I found a pair of old Korea-era 1205 chinos at a junk store and with a little tailoring I did they work great, taking in the leg a smidge and hemming them. They were originally meant to go over your pants as an extra layer. 

I'm digging those slippers

Thanks Mr. Q! They're normally just house slippers, but I occasionally forget I'm wearing them and leave he house for errands.
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